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Screenplay & Film Consulting By Susan Kouguell

Category: 2023 TRIBECA FESTIVAL

Susan’s Interview with with Internationally Acclaimed Director Alice Troughton on her Debut Film ‘The Lesson’

I’ve always looked to explore genre where the female gaze has been historically excluded: Science fiction, horror, Westerns, and now film noir with this gift of a savage and subversive script capped with a dynamic female-driven twist. 

Alice Troughton

In a wide-ranging discussion, I spoke with internationally acclaimed director Alice Troughton about her film The Lesson, which had its premiere at the 2023 Tribeca Film Festival. Troughton led, directed, and executive-produced Baghdad Central (2020) for C4, Troughton is also known for her work on the award-winning shows The Living and the DeadCucumberTin Star, A Discovery of Witches, and Doctor Who. In 2022 Troughton completed work on The Midwich Cuckoos for Sky.

About The Lesson: Liam, an aspiring and ambitious young writer, eagerly accepts a tutoring position at the family estate of his idol, renowned author J.M. Sinclair. But soon, Liam realizes that he is ensnared in a web of family secrets, resentment, and retribution. Sinclair, his wife Hélène, and their son Bertie all guard a dark past, one that threatens Liam’s future as well as their own.

[L-R] Richard E. Grant as J.M. Sinclair, Daryl McCormack as Liam Sommers, Julie Delpy as Hélène Sinclair, and Stephen McMillan as Bertie Sinclair in Bleecker Street's  THE LESSON. Photo by Anna Patarakina, Courtesy of Bleecker Street.
[L-R] Richard E. Grant as J.M. Sinclair, Daryl McCormack as Liam Sommers, Julie Delpy as Hélène Sinclair, and Stephen McMillan as Bertie Sinclair in Bleecker Street’s THE LESSON. Photo by Anna Patarakina, Courtesy of Bleecker Street.

KOUGUELL: You worked closely with producer Camille Gatin and screenwriter Alex MacKeith, as you stated, “to mine the dark corners and sultriness of the script which felt full of urgent questions: What do we do with art of monstrous men? How culpable are all parties involved in coercive control? Can we reclaim the film’s narrative from the traditional patriarchal noir archetypes? How does anyone navigate and survive the British class system?”

TROUGHTON: We didn’t want to be didactic. I’m not at all afraid of going on a polemic, but I think it’s necessary sometimes. I also think there’s always a way of catching flies with honey, making sure that the second-class status of women in the industry and in the whole world – and that includes women and women-identifying – that there is an inclusive feminism of mine; there’s nothing more important in my filmmaking than that.

KOUGUELL: This is the first feature film that you directed. Let’s talk about the transition from television to film.

TROUGHTON: First of all, I was very lucky as it was my first film experience. We all had toxic jobs and this wasn’t one. I feel that I was picked in turn by producers who wanted my vision. It all came from a show that I directed that won huge amounts of awards called Cucumber, which was by Russel T Davies, one of our finest writers.

There’s an affinity between my gaze and his; it’s just not the female gaze. We collaborated a lot of times; he’s the showrunner on Doctor Who. That experience allowed me to be free in my filmmaking, which is what my producers gave me on The Lesson. Obviously, Alex wrote this page-turner of a script. A lot of it is semi-autobiographical so it came from the heart. He’s also a complete wordsmith; his writing has his own style of acerbic wit and he’s a stand-up comic.

KOUGUELL: The Lesson is a contemporary noir that challenges the traditional definition of this genre.

TROUGHTON: We tried to subvert those norms. I think you can watch the film and have no idea about the noir archetypes. I wanted it to be just that fantastic Witness for the Prosecution rapport that you enjoy at the end of a good thriller. There’s also a meta-level of it, which you’re also subverting the traditional noir roles. If you are a noir fan and a noir filmmaker – there’s the femme fatale, the detective, the monster – those strong archetypes. We wanted to have fun with that.

KOUGUELL: Hélène’s character arc is quite an engaging slow burn.

TROUGHTON: Hélène is kind of mute. She’s not only mute around the dinner table, she’s mute in the way that the femme fatales were mute. She’s the object of desire; she’s identified through the gaze of other people, which is something obviously you’re getting into the semiotics of the gaze, something that is very noir identifying.

There is a really key and subtle moment, which is the moment that she breaks the gaze from being objectified, to returning Liam’s gaze and she looks straight at him. It is the moment that you realize that Hélène’s role is changing and that leads you to the moment to the end. She in fact is the detective. She isn’t the femme fatale. She’s playing the detective role and that always has been her role from the start.

[L-R] Julie Delpy as Hélène Sinclair and Daryl McCormack as Liam Sommers in Bleecker Street's THE LESSON. Photo by Gordon Timpen, Courtesy of Bleecker Street.
[L-R] Julie Delpy as Hélène Sinclair and Daryl McCormack as Liam Sommers in Bleecker Street’s THE LESSON. Photo by Gordon Timpen, Courtesy of Bleecker Street.

KOUGUELL: Tell me about the shoot.

TROUGHTON: We had 22 days of shooting. It was a low budget. We needed efficiency. There was such a sense of play on that floor and joy, we all were exactly where we wanted to be to do that. There was extraordinary chemistry.

KOUGUELL: The music by Isobel Waller-Bridge was incredible and added an important layer of conflict that was referenced in the narrative.

TROUGHTON: I had heard her work on Emma and Fleabag, and when I met her we platonically fell in love. She was with the project from the very start, it was five years from the inception to the film getting made. What she’s done in the film is astonishing, it’s hugely dramatic and at the same time very subtle. The music is gorgeous and gives the film a vivacity. We were talking a lot about Russian composers like Rachmaninov, Borodin, and Tchaikovsky; they have circus and pomp and ceremony. They were great as influences.

KOUGUELL: There are other influences as well. You looked at the history of artist couples —Dorothea Tanning and Max Ernst, Lee Krasner and Jackson Pollock, Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes – in which the male spouses and their notorious egos, garnered attention.

TROUGHTON: We looked at objectification, sexual politics, and the denigration of women in the arts to redress that balance.

KOUGUELL: The objectification of women on screen brings to mind Nina Menkes’s documentary Brainwashed: Sex-Camera-Power. The character of Hélène is watching the men and she was the one in power; she has agency.

TROUGHTON: Yes, and Hélène breaks that gaze. I watched Menkes’s film after I made The Lesson. In Brainwashed, Menkes quotes Agnes Varda: “The first feminist gesture is to say: “OK, they’re looking at me. But I’m looking at them.” The act of deciding to look, of deciding that the world is not defined by how people see me, but how I see them.”

Courtesy Bleecker Street.
Courtesy Bleecker Street.

There’s a point when we break the gaze of objectification. It is scored, but it is not scored as a big moment; it’s scored when Hélène returns the gaze, and that changes her from being objectified into the person who is doing the looking. Varda’s “I will look back at you” – that is exactly what Hélène is doing. That made me very happy when I heard that quote afterwards. It is about Hélène going: I can change the view, I can reclaim the gaze.

KOUGUELL: The theme of redemption is at the heart of The Lesson.

TROUGHTON: For me as a filmmaker, it is a particular interest of mine. I believe in redemption and I believe in a redemptive ending, and in an Aristotelian way of saying that drama is inspirational and cathartic and that you can also be inspired by redemptive endings. I like an ending with morality.

Susan’s Interview with ‘The Graduates’ Filmmaker Hannah Peterson at the Tribeca Festival

Hannah Peterson generously offers insights into the development of her project from the writing and interview process to the remarkable changes that occurred in the editing room.
Mina Sundwall in THE GRADUATES. Photo credit Carolina Costa.
Mina Sundwall in THE GRADUATES. Photo credit Carolina Costa.

During the Tribeca Festival I spoke to Hannah Peterson, the writer, director and editor of her debut fiction feature The Graduates. Peterson generously offered insights into the development of her project from the writing and interview process to the remarkable changes that occurred in the editing room. Our in-depth conversation also tackled the tough subject of the aftermath of gun violence, and the decision not to portray violence on screen.

“While I was writing, I experienced a sudden personal loss when my younger brother died of gun suicide. The grief that I experienced through that loss, and the coming together of my family and community around it, became imbued into the fabric of the story and informed several of the choices I made in the edit.” – Hannah Peterson

Named one of the “25 New Faces of Independent Film” by Filmmaker Magazine, Hannah Peterson’s work has screened at Sundance Film Festival, MoMA, REDCAT, Tribeca Film Festival, and Slamdance Film Festival where she was awarded the AGBO fellowship for her short film, East of the River. She holds an MFA in Film Directing from California Institute of the Arts (CalArts) and a BA in Screen Studies from the New School. Prior to her work as a director, Hannah mentored under filmmakers Sean Baker and Chloé Zhao.

About The Graduates: A year after her boyfriend dies from gun violence, a young woman prepares to graduate high school as she navigates an uncertain future alongside a community that is searching for ways to heal.

KOUGUELL: From the inception of the script to the final cut, you were in a unique position as the writer, director, and editor, to convey the story you wanted to tell. This is an auteur film in the best sense of the definition. Tell me about the process.

PETERSON: When I set out to make The Graduates, I was interested in telling a contemporary story, a coming-of-age story in the American public school system. I set about interviewing high schoolers and recent graduates, and asked about their experiences, their fears, and the highs and lows of high school.

This is something I explored in my short films prior and wanted to explore in a feature. Nearly everyone I spoke to mentioned their anxiety about safety in their school and that on any given day something could happen. I was very struck by that. I couldn’t tell a contemporary story without touching upon that throughline. I wanted to explore what it was like when the cameras left and the resources left, and how it was really a community left to navigate the circumstances.

Director Hannah Peterson. Photo by Nadia Sarwar.
Director Hannah Peterson. Photo by Nadia Sarwar.

In terms of the script, I was writing it as a vehicle for me to direct. I always see the script as a more malleable instrument. There were scenes that I knew I wanted to cast real people in or cast locally. For instance, the grief circle and the basketball team. I knew in advance before we went into production I wanted those to be real people, actual high schoolers, sharing their actual stories, their actual hopes and dreams. I was leaving space for those moments to be happening organically, and the rest to be scripted.

In the process of production things obviously changed as they do. As you mentioned, to be the editor, I had a new and added perspective. I certainly did a lot of rewriting in the edit of the film. The script was originally structured in chapters, Chapter 1 was Genevieve, Chapter 2 was Ben, and Chapter 3 was Jon. It worked so well on paper and I had great responses to the script and we shot it that way, but it wasn’t until the editing room – it might be a testament to the performances all being so powerful – but I knew we had to be with all these characters from the start to finish of the film. Of course, this required some pulling from Act 3 to Act 1, and reordering a lot of things and that was really an activity of discovery. I really found the film when I made that decision to do that.

KOUGUELL: You just mentioned about the interviews you had with actual high schoolers. Please elaborate about that process.

PETERSON: I was lucky to learn about writing and directing from Chloé Zhao and Sean Baker. Both of them spend a lot of time on locations where they will be filming and speaking with individuals who are living the experience of the characters. That creates a fluidity between the screenwriting process and the casting and location processes; that was something that was influential in all my work.

On this feature, I set up as a writer to be a listener. The students who I interviewed were just any students who were willing to speak to me. I actually saw a photojournalism article in the New York Times called “Inside Santa Monica High”. There were these candid photos taken by Nico Young, who was a junior at the time. I was so moved by the photographs. I reached out to Nico and asked him to meet the subjects of his photographs. In my interviews, I asked students what high school is like. The students shared their journal entries and told me private moments in their lives, and through those conversations, I got to hear about their anxieties and about safety in their schools. That became the most substantive part of these conversations.

KOUGUELL: There is no antagonist, except for the gunman who remains unnamed and unseen on screen. This was a powerful choice not to give attention to him, which is often the case in the media.

PETERSON: I think the first and easiest choice I made was not to show the act of violence itself. This created a lot of creative challenges because you’re basically skipping over the inciting incident of all these people’s lives. When you’re talking about trauma and grief, they’re not actually linear experiences and when you’re in that situation, the world is antagonistic. You don’t necessarily need massive conflict in every scene because your life is conflicted. I really decided to trust in that and in the characters and situate the plot around these private moments of grieving rather than on traditional plot points or inciting incidents.

KOUGUELL: You mentioned this feeling of agency that your main characters had, and how they are on that journey to find that. There were also moments of levity that were important and not only drove the narrative forward, it made the drama that much more impactful and moving.

PETERSON: It’s always really important when talking about things as heavy as death, grief, and trauma, to lever that with moments of levity. When you’re spending time with young people it’s inevitable because people don’t always talk about what they’re feeling all the time. A lot of it is underneath; a lot of it is mundane, just natural levity in the way young people express themselves, especially in the privacy of each other’s company that I wanted to make sure was part of the fabric of this film.

KOUGUELL: You allowed the characters to breathe in the film and spend time with them, not cutting away from them too quickly. This is such a difficult subject matter and I imagine with the whole process of treading that fine line, questioning: is it too much, is it too little? How did you find that balance?

PETERSON: I cared so much about the characters and cared about the actors. Each character was emblematic of a multitude of conversations I had along the way about survivors with high schoolers and with youth. It was so important for me to be able to do those people justice and to honor them.

When I was editing it, thinking about the frame and the camera, I wanted it to feel like I was there with the characters and I didn’t want to leave them until they were ready to be alone. It drives the rhythm of the script. In the moment that a character could be strong for a minute, we can go to someone else, and when that person needs someone to be there we can go there as audience members.

KOUGUELL: The film concludes on a hopeful note without feeling contrived or tied up in a neat bow.

PETERSON: I’m really glad you got that. I wanted people to take from the film the conversations I had with survivors during the writing process. Throughout the conversations I was moved by the sense of agency and urgency and altruism and that while this generation was rooted in grief, I found it really hopeful. In the film there are no grand gestures; there is a subtle rebuilding of a sense of self that really comes when each character starts to turn towards each other. For me, there is so much hope in that.

I hope that this film provides a safe space for people to process feelings about gun violence in our country that can exist outside of the reactive cycle of the news media and to connect with one another, because I believe that connection and conversation can be the precursors for action.